January 21, 2002 - Since the government mandate that tolerance of all religions should be the highest priority for citizens, there are attempts to find ways to do that. Recently there was a forum on C-SPAN called 'Interfaith Dialogue' which got pretty charged. Present were Christians of various denominations and several Muslims, one Muslim fundamentalist.

It was stated up front that Christians have a Savior, Messiah Jesus Christ who died for sinners and rose to return to heaven. Islam doesn't accept that He died for all human beings to cover their sins. They believe that Jesus was a prophet like Mohammed and is coming at the end of the age to straighten things out. They can't both be correct.

The question was in this forum: how can we relate to Islam and President Bush's unity of American citizens. We must be patriotic and law abiding and not be adversaries. Who is our foe: Islamism? Are we talking about a coercive utopian ideology? The majority rules, no authority can impose.

Muslim: Islamic vision for America is to improve people into serving. There is room for improvement where Aids and crime are concerned.

Muslim: "We are in this together and share the same universe and there is no reason why we cannot have wonderful dialogue.. We are all children of Adam and Eve according to the Koran come from nations and tribes and we know each other. We have the same father Abraham and the same Scriptures and we should concentrate on similarities. In a survey about how much Americans know about Islam they found 64% knew nothing about Islam. 88% knew nothing or negative aspects of it. There is a need to learn the Koran and get to know Islam.

Christian: What about the 16 million Christians in Egypt and the Middle East who have no religious rights and suffer persecution. Why are they persecuted? What have they done?

Christian: Where are Muslims when it comes to abortion clinics?

Muslim: The Koran can only be read in Arabic. One has to learn the language to read the Koran. Using translations causes verses out of context. Ground rules have to be laid and cannot be circumvented. The Koran is absolute truth. No one has a right to change it. The Koran will always have rules of engagement to be engaged in. One can't have one's own territory. Muslims are to practice freely and preach freely in the United States. 95% of Muslims in the world do not have such freedom.

Muslim: Kids study the Koran in Egypt in school. There are 124 peaceful verses and 1 verse is violent. Should 1 violent verse abrogate all the peaceful verses. The media promotes a certain image of Islam that is incorrect. It's unacceptable that Islam is evil.

Christian from Nigeria: What about the massacres of people in the thousands and many beheaded. Islam is a very violent religion and destroys people. Sharia is imposed and uses their influence in government because it supersedes the Constitution. Innocent people who converted from Islam to Christianity were butchered and stabbed to death. Christianity is suppressed in Nigeria. Christians and Muslims cannot live together. We are calling on Christians to rescue us. Muslims in Nigeria are forming an Islamic Republic. He said: "We should never call Islam friends."

Muslim: I studied Christianity at Hartford Seminary. Islam is misused and misquoted and mistranslated. Islam has to be understood what it is and what it is not. 1.2 billion are not armed and are business men and women. Re-examine yourself. We need help of every faith. The Koran teaches to celebrate differences. The differences we have must not be used.

Christian: The Koran has a large number of troubling passages. Crimes are committed every day in the name of Islam. Slay Christians whereever you find them. Whoever changes Islamic religion, kill him. Islamic teachings need to be changed to conformed Islam. Islam needs to change. Complete separation between church and state is necessary. Christians and Jews are infidels is still on. Another form of infidelity are even people of the book, Christians and Jews are terrorists. Nobody but Islam are allowed in Mosques or at Mekka.

Christian: "What are your dreams for the West?"

Muslim: "Shariah Law." It supersedes the Constitution. There is lots of confusion about that law even among Muslims. In relation to the 9:11, the Muslim answer to that is that Islam has been hijacked by a few, The Koran teaches peace and brotherhood but also calls for Jihad: dismembership. Some verses don't apply to peace. Some verses are universal. Has dismembership expired or is it a conviction of Islams. There is nothing absolute. One can't know what it means. We need to preserve dignity, intellect, money and wealth, and freedom of religion. Those who kill or crucify Christians should be firmly punished.

Christian: There is conflict after conflict in the Middle East, Eastern Europe and Indonesia. Islam is being extended by intimidation, coercion, threats, and offensive war.

A Havard professor: Muslims have problems everywhere, 1/5 of the world population provides overwhelming evidence of violence. Western Christianity abandoned their violence and have to maintain constant vigilance.

Muslim: there is a powerful force in the U.S. to become cross cultural including the Koran, Jews and Christians that worship none but the Almighty God bowing to the will of Him. Islam means submission to the will of God. Allah is a concept of God Almighty. God breathed His spirit into humans. The nature of humans is accountability and to erect a better environment for all. Sources of human life conduct according to teaching. They believe in all prophets and must work together. Koran gives the people of the book a higher level.

Christian: Then what about mistreatment of women? Christians have had reconciliation walks and apologized to everybody for what they did.

Muslim: The Muslim Jesus, son of Mary, was not crucified. God loved him and he will come back to complete his mission at the end of time. What has to be eradicated is fundamentalism of Islam.

Christian: Christians are not allowed in Islamic Holy Places? "By their fruit shall ye know them."

Muslim: Are the crusades the fruit of Christianity? Are the dead Muslims fruit? Discrimination against Jews are not fruit. Christ is the prince of peace. Muslim is a religion of peace.

Christian: Fascism and Communism coerce the entire world into Islam in a variety of shapes. Terrorists and sleepers are waiting for an opportunity. Islamism has attraction Christians.
Ex Muslim has to be under police protection. He gets death threats by mail and phone.

In closing an Ecumenist said: It was stated that Islam has a great history. It is a peaceful religion and we should agree with them and work with them for the common good. That is an echo of Pope John Paul II.

Answers to questions about Islam http://answering-islam.org/Silas/jihad.htm

Dave Hunt states in his December 2001 Newsletter, "Islam firmly rejects Christ, the One whom God gave to the world to bring peace. The Qur'an calls Jesus Isa, probably from Muhammad hearing Jews contemptuoulsy refer to Him as Esau. Islam's central teachings in the Qur'an and hadith (tradition of equal authority to the Qur'an) directly oppose Christ and His salvation. Islamic scholars all agree that Isa is not the Son of God and was not crucified for our sins. There is general consent that Allah put a likeness of Isa upon one of His disciples, probably Judas, who died in Isa's place. Taken alive to heaven (in one version), Isa is covered with feathers and flies with angels around Allah's throne until the time he returns to marry, have children and die a natural death!

Islam makes it clear that Isa is not divine and certainly not the Son of Allah (that Allah could have a son is denied sixteen times in the Qur'an). Though in the Qur'an he was born of a virgin, did miracles including raising the dead (Surah 3:45-49), was sinless and even the word of God, Isa is clearly not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. And yet some Christians imagine they can win Muslims to Christ by presenting Islam's Isa..

Bethlehem has nothing to do with Muslims or Arabs, yet they lay claim to it just as they do to all of the land that was promised to Israel in which the Jews have lived for the last 3,000 years. And today the PLO, pursuing Islams false claims, has taken over Bethlehem and turned it from peace to such violence that most tour groups no longer visit the place of Christ's birth. The Israeli army has had to bring tanks into Bethlehem."

As we already stated there are many unanswered questions about the attack on the twin towers, Anthrax and Enron. These situations seem to be related. Most of what has happened was brought on by globalization which includes riches to be gotten from oil, drug trade and the corporate economy.

What we are learning from the Enron situation is, that the general public has ceased to participate in corporate gains which will once again change the economic landscape. If the workers are who I think they are, they have had a 'wake up' call. Their money is earned by the sweat of their brow and not easily gambled away in large amounts. The bribes to make workers do more for less with pay subsidized with stock options is not going to go over anymore.

Osama bin Ladin is involved in Enron. Bankruptcy means reorganizing and hopefully somehow paying off some of the debts at least. Donald Trump went through a period like that. He had so much debt that the banks kept giving him money to keep him afloat because they couldn't afford to take that kind of a loss. The major shareholders of ENRON are rich and can afford to wait it out. The workers lost their retirements just at a time when the White House wanted to scale down Social Security. Perfect timing to slow that down a bit.

We have looked at the video filmed by a newspaper reporter who infiltrated Muslim meetings to find out what they are up to and it was obvious they were recruiting Muslims to think of Christians as their arch enemy and to attack. It was pretty threatening.

Christians greatest threat from Islam is thinking that it's okay to attend their meetings and mingle with their religion to neutralize the fear of them and become a peaceful nation. God wants believers to separate from the world and be sanctified and put on a new life which is in the presence of God spiritually speaking. Allah cannot participate in that kind of relationship. Allah is not a god. There is only one triune God: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, who are One God. We are told not to try to figure that out but believe what the Bible teaches. If we don't believe that, we are not born again Christians.

Americans have been dealing with another problem that is just like the Islamic one and it's the black and white situation. It never goes away because parents indoctrinate their children with the same old stories and the prejudices continue from generation to generation. It doesn't go away. Blacks and whites don't mix no more than Christians and Muslims will mix or become one.

What was most signifiant at the forum was that Muslims believe that the Koran is the only truth there is just like Christians believe that the Bible is the only truth. How could one convince the other that they are wrong. There is no resolution to the problem except both giving up their religion which often happens in marriage. A couple of different religious background have round after round and finally come to the conclusion to compromise and each give up what they believe and start going to a new church and learn a new thing. The fighting stops and all live happily ever after.

Believe it or not, that is what Satan has in mind and this new thing has been coming on for some time. So called Christians have been moved through a whole garden variety of mystical and experiential layers of beliefs that hardly resemble the Bible today without realizing that there is a purpose behind it. 'Christianity' has taken on a kind of "fad" quality. Pokemon has come and gone, GI Joe is resurrected and will pass away and so will the various waves of Charismatics, Pentecostals, Yoga, Christian hip hop, and who cares if there is one more that Christians and Muslims can find user friendly, after all the dollar bill states that we are one nation under 'god'. Nobody is worried about who this god is anyway. The President is asking us to embrace and be a big family what could be more fun.

Americans have been conditioned to thrive on excitement and it has had its effect on the church. Anything goes to get the churches to grow and gradually it has become entertainment with a sprinkle of the word from the NIV and next comes the New NIV which is gender neutral.

For a Muslim to get on the floor and pray five times a day has to be utter drudgery plus take up precious time that few have. The mosques are opening up to other denominations. Now that Muslims feel threatened just like Jews due to profiling, etc.. they will want to make changes to stop the threats. Just look at Israel. They virtually sit in the Pope's pocket for protection and even have connections to Muslims. They don't want to give up Jerusalem but were ready to give up land. They will not touch the mosque in Jerusalem because they want peace as well.

The U.S. is the incubator for Satan's agenda. The notions are hatched, home grown and spread around the globe and Satan pays well. The Constitution makes it possible. The video of the Islamic Jihad portrayed that the underground fundamentalist Muslims are hiding behind the Constitution. Enron Executives are hiding behind Consitutional rights. Muslims said that they are allowed to practice whatever they want as long as they don't kill anyone and that is why they are here in this country. The police can't do anything until someone gets hurt. Muslims can teach when and how to kill Christians under the Constition.

Our Constitution is based on responsible citizenry. We cherish it but only because it allows us to practice our faith. Because of irresponsible behavior we have lost our rights and will soon lose our right to publish. That is coming. February 6.02 Fox News presented two emails written by John Walker to his mother in the year 2000 which confirms that they are collecting information that can be used against us. We are risking everything writing these newsletters and continue to do knowing full well what the Bush Administration would prefer.

Don't think Muslims can't be reprogrammed like most others. What other country has more to offer in sales techniques than the U.S. Thirty years ago you could have counted Muslims on one hand. Today we have millions and that was done deliberately. The U.S. is led by people of European descent. Why did they deliberately open the floodgates to Muslims?

People who come to this country wish to be free from their old traditions. Sometimes it doesn't look like that but why else would they pull up roots and move far away from home. To integrate into American mainstream is extremely difficult for a European, so imagine what its like for a Muslim who is discriminated against. They are very motivated to blend in, except for the fundamentalists who are recruiting for the Islamic Jihad.

In spite of what it looks like right now, we are moving toward some sort of peace according to the Bible. Peace is brought on because religions are being neutralized. Most wars were due to religious clashes. Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.." (Matthew 10:34)

The resistance toward globalization is a by-product to change which is normal. The mobilization of a police state is part of the New World Order that President Bush is enforcing to control the masses just in case there is an uprising within the country. They are testing people's tolerance level all the time to see where they are emotionally.

I heard the Prime Minister of Canada speak today at the economic forum in New York that he wants to help Africa more than ever to improve their situation, to trade with them and see fruition of their ultimate plans to 'even the playing field'. He said that the rich countries have to give up 20% of their riches and bring countries that have nothing, to a higher financial level so they can participate in the global market. They need to sell their goods as well to improve their condition. Most countries have geared into globalization and have invested too much to stop now.

"For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." (1Thessalonians 5:3-5)

This promised peace lasts from the time after three countries are plucked up by the roots, to the time when the red horse, signifying war, is released during the first part of the Tribulation (Revelation 6:4) "And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

"I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man and a mouth speaking great things."

The note on page 1085 KJV about Daniel 7:7,8 The ten horns are ten kings (dictators) who will be ruling in the area of the old Roman Empire in the last days. The coming Antichrist is represented as a "little horn," who eliminates three of the original ten horns. He is later called "a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences" (an occultist / witchcraft - Daniel 8:23 )

The Berean Call, December 2001, Dave Hunt: The September 11 terrorist attack exposed a shocking hypocrisy. Suddenly millions of people (who for years had no time for God) began talking and singing about Him [ed-note: in fact it is called the expected revival] - of course, any god would do - and attending or turning in to prayer services. There was little recognition that God has moral standards, is grieved with our behavior and wants something more from us than just crying out for Him to "bless America" on our terms.

Few seem concerned that America pollutes its youth and the world with R-rated movies, immoral videos and TV programs, slaughters millions of unborn babies (some murdered with only a few inches of the head barely held inside the birth canal) and mocks God with homosexual parades flaunting in His face the grossest perversion. Clearly, in these areas there is some truth in Muslim complaints against our immorality. It seems to have been taken for granted that, as soon as disaster struck, God would answer our prayers at our convenience. Such impertinence should be an embarrassment before the whole world and send a collective shudder through all Americans.